Role-Play Superman Tries Coverup Of JLU Wiki Leak
by Alphaville Herald on 18/01/10 at 10:23 am
Kalel Venkman claims dozens of copyright takedowns — says Chan community corrupts minors
by Pixeleen Mistral, National Affairs desk
According to correspondence provided to the Herald, Kalel Venkman claims to have succeeded with copyright complaints to several dozen web sites redistributing the Justice League Unlimited “Brainiac Wiki”.
The secret wiki was leaked after Venkman’s JLU faction was infiltrated by a Second Life player with ties to a rival group which Venkman’s JLU role play superheros fight using a program of mass abuse reports and ongoing surveillance – including collection and correlating real life information on enemies.
However, not everyone is accepting Venkman's copyright claims at face value.
A Canadian web site administrator who prefers to be referred to simply as “Sean”, says Venkman has harassed his ISP for 48 hours with what Sean believes are baseless copyright claims being used to coverup the leak of JLU’s 1700 page wiki. After examining the wiki contents, Sean is unimpressed, telling Venkman, "It looks like you're using scare tactics and some stupid misinformation to protect some stupid wiki about some inane online game that's chock full of information you will never legally own. this claim is completely and utterly illegitimate, I have nothing more to say to you, you don't own the content”
What upset Sean? Perhaps Venkman’s complaint to the ISP is a bit overplayed, since it goes well beyond copyright issues. The threat of harm to minors through Chan and Anonymous culture and fear of gang DDOS attacks on the site are given as reasons to remove not only the wiki, but the entire site, as Venkman's complaint says in part:
I am the holder of the copyright on the information presented in these
files. They were distributed without my permission, and must be removed
immediately.
A Little Background on '[elided]':
The term 'lulz' is a corruption of the common abbreviation for the phrase
"laugh out loud". The [elided] site is used in connection with
illegal access of online gaming services, and the harassment and
persecution of others, while attempting to maintain the anonymity of the
attackers. [elided] is a member of the online community known as
'Chan', also known as 'Anonymous', which was responsible for internet
attacks on the Church of Scientology in 2009. The participation of minors
in this activity is not only accepted, but encouraged, thereby
contributing to their delinquency and damaging their personal histories on
into adulthood. Further, because the site is a center for the internet
gang known as "[elided]", it constitutes a substantive risk to
other servers and web sites you host. It's just a matter of time before
some other rival gang attempts a retaliation.
Apparently Venkman feels an obligation to protect minors from the Chan culture and lulz – but we wonder if that isn't really each parent's responsibility. In any case, over the course of the lengthy correspondence between the virtual superhero and the site admin, Sean points out that the complaint is improperly formatted and of questionable merit, and Venkman responds, saying
“You are correct, the notice as written is completely insufficient to trigger a safe harbor response from the ISP. I can easily provide a correctly formatted email identical to two dozen other DMCA takedown requests I have sent out which have already been honored – this is how I know I am on the right side of the law.
Your other assertions, howver, are partially invalid. You most certainly cannot copyright somebody else's names and addresses as such, but you can copyright the larger work in which they are contained, and I have done so.“
Does Kalel Venkman hold copyright on the JLU Brainiac Wiki – which includes copies of complete Alphaville Herald stories, a database tracking of the activities of the abuse report happy JLU faction, and personal information about JLU enemies – and is the public interest served by keeping it secret? Many of those who have inspected the wiki are concerned at the level of real life information – and misinformation – contained in the JLU papers as well as Venkman's vigilante-style gameplay.
Expect this drama to continue since the irony of pursuing copyright infringement claims while wearing an un-licensed superman costume in Second Life seems lost on Kalel. Is this because Venkman's wiki says he was encouraged by Plexus Linden to continue the superman/JLU act, despite the objections of Socrates Linden?
Kiddoh
Jan 18th, 2010
Ha~, saw this coming a mile away. Do people even know how copyright works anymore?
Deadlycodec
Jan 18th, 2010
The Brainiac Wiki also contains stories I wrote for my old site, the Griefer Herald, when it was hosted by typepad. I am going to be sending DMCA’s to jaguarpc, the hosting service Kalolz uses for kryptonians.net. I say it’s time for people to fight back. If you find your material in their wiki, file DMCA’s against kryptonians.net and point jaguarpc admins in the direction of the beam.kryptonians.net sub. You can send those claims to abuse@jaguarpc.com, and you might try dmca@jaguarpc.com as well. Anyone who is offended by the contents of this wiki should likewise message the abuse department at Kalolz host. Though the personal information in that wiki is not by any means illegal, it would be in violation of the TOS of most hosting companies, except a few in Russia and other country’s who are generally far less concerned with computer crimes, copyright, and invasion of privacy. More than one can play at this game.
I say it’s time to finish the job that the Wrong Hands started. Let’s shutdown the JLU.
Senban Babii
Jan 18th, 2010
I’m actually sitting at my desk in work right now, giggling to myself and people have come over to read this and see what I’m laughing about.
The consensus of opinion in my department regarding internet superheroes is largely unprintable but there’s a lot of laughter and shaking of heads. I’ll give two examples of the terms being used here right now by people who have no experience of SL – “idiots” and “bullies”.
@Kalel Venkman
“I am the holder of the copyright on the information presented in these files.”
Really? You *may* hold copyright in the format the material is presented in but not the information itself. You admit as much yourself in your response to “Sean”. Did you ask for permission to use copyrighted Herald articles in this work out of interest?
“I can easily provide a correctly formatted email identical to two dozen other DMCA takedown requests I have sent out which have already been honored – this is how I know I am on the right side of the law.”
Well, no. All that indicates is that the people you’ve issued the DMCA takedown requests have taken down the material (if indeed they have?) It doesn’t mean that you were on the right side of the law in the slightest. It more than likely indicates that the material was taken down because someone thought it was more effort than it was worth. Of course, if you’d like to post their responses to your DMCA takedown requests, I’m sure you could more fully show that they considered your position valid and legal. Over to you
LOL
Jan 18th, 2010
LOOSERS
HAHAHA
Jan 18th, 2010
#1 Kalel Venkman is a complete looser, just look at his profile’s 1st life tab… the so called Man of Steal is hides behind some law…
#2 he can not possibly stop the release of the JLU Wiki now that it has been posted to various torrent sites, here is 1 as an example: http://btjunkie.org/torrent/JLU-Wiki-2010-10-14-rar/435886af444eb39fcacdb3bce1de47b1095f887dd31a
#3 everything the JLU has done to date in my opnion is a blaitent violation of the SL T.O.S., from remotly monitoring chats, Fake Abuse Reports and lets not forget the keeping records of residents REAL LIFE INFORMATION
I for one say “FUCK YOU JLU AND THE LINDENS WHO’S ASSES YOU KISS”
Eva Ryan
Jan 18th, 2010
As someone once said, “You can’t cure stupid.” The JLU left themselves open to such an infiltration. They didn’t properly vet out their members and having been a thorn in the ass to so many on the fringe of internet society, I’m quite surprised that something like this didn’t happen beforehand.
Vince Braver
Jan 18th, 2010
kalel doesnt have a prayer to piss on.
Tuomy Boa
Jan 18th, 2010
Just a reminder, DMCA is only effective in USA. So if you and your server is located outside of USA, you’re safe.
I might upload the wiki on my server just for good measure. JLU thinks they can spy on us and invade our privacy at their leisure, its time for a payback!
Remember, if the wiki has logs with your name on them, you can AR them for TOS violation.
Alyx Stoklitsky
Jan 18th, 2010
Kalel has no more ownership over the contents of the wiki than the PN have over the contents of their forum – and there’s plenty of that pasted over their wiki without any discussion as to whether they have any legal ‘right’ to view it. … which is of course, how it should be.
If your shit gets leaked, you shit gets leaked. Deal with it, nerd.
corona anatine
Jan 18th, 2010
this Kalel person is supposedly roleplaying superman
when in the comics did superman ever go around using spy equipment?
LOL
Jan 18th, 2010
it is also posted here for Free download, no torrent program needed
http://www.mediafire.com/file/otjhmn5m5jj/JLU Wiki – 2010-10-14.rar
GreenLantern Excelsior
Jan 18th, 2010
@ deadlycodec
“Anyone who is offended by the contents of this wiki should likewise message the abuse department at Kalolz host”
It would be interesting to see that DMCA complaint, specifically what you put down for the location of the offending material. Is it still in the same place, and viewable by the general public? It will be very difficult for you to convince anyone that you’re offended by something that you yourself can’t view, and can’t provide the URL for. The only place you could legitimately file a DMCA complaint for publishing your Griefer Herald article is against the torrent sites and the Canadian guy’s website and wherever else it’s been distributed. If they won’t honor Kalel’s request, how do you think they will respond to yours?
On the other hand, I have some original writings on that wiki that were not viewable due to being password protected, that are now available for anyone to see on several websites (or maybe only a couple of websites by now). I could expect to be making big bucks if my material sold to someone, but now that it’s been published for anyone to see, that causes a problem for me. I may have to start filing my own DMCA complaints. I would wager that every JLU member who ever posted anything to the wiki can do the same thing.
“More than one can play at this game.”
That is very true. JLU has more than 50 members, so this may turn out to be quite a game after all.
“I say it’s time to finish the job that the Wrong Hands started. Let’s shutdown the JLU.”
JLU can function without the wiki if need be. If you want to shut us down you will have to try another…strike that…SEVERAL other things.
Tuomy Boa
Jan 18th, 2010
Anyone whos RL information is in JLU wiki should IM Kalel and request him to remove it. If he refuses there is legal charges far worse than copyright theft waiting for him.
Deadlycodec
Jan 18th, 2010
Oh lawd, GLE, thank you for your flawed and biased interpretation. Good for a laugh. The thing is, if these service providers respond, they won’t be doing it because they are compelled to by law anymore than others were compelled to remove kalolz content by law, my copszor impersonator pal. Argue until you’re blue in the face, but these companies removed the content because it was reported by multiple people and they didn’t want to deal with it. Same reason why the Lindens respond so well to you idiots, because they don’t want to deal with you.
“That is very true. JLU has more than 50 members, so this may turn out to be quite a game after all.”
LOL 50? I’m willing to wager that the number of Second Lifers you have pissed off outnumber you imbeciles several times over. Good luck with that.
“It would be interesting to see that DMCA complaint, specifically what you put down for the location of the offending material. Is it still in the same place, and viewable by the general public?”
Show me where in the Digital Millennium Copyright Act it says this is a prerequisite for copyright claims, and I will give you a cookie xD
“I could expect to be making big bucks if my material sold to someone, but now that it’s been published for anyone to see, that causes a problem for me.”
You couldn’t expect to make a dime, you idiot loser. lol!
“It will be very difficult for you to convince anyone that you’re offended by something that you yourself can’t view, and can’t provide the URL for.”
Um, I can provide the URL for where it was, and if it was moved, jaguarpc admins will have logs for that. Mostly, I was recommending that people file complaints for TOS violations on the part of the justice losers, since any hosting company worth it’s salt has policies against hosting malware, private personal information, and copyrighted material. Even if you remove it to cover it up, logs will be present for the admins. Guess I’ll send them a copy of your comment too, Mr. Smuggety Smug. I do so love turning the tables on people like you. Enjoy your fail.
LOL
Jan 18th, 2010
@GreenLantern Excelsior
STFU you looser. You and your clan of linden ass kissers finally get to see what it is like to be on the other end of an AR. how long did you think you could go around keeping Nixon style logs of conversations before you would get busted for a TOS violation? As for your Stolen Superhero uniform, names, logos, and even your group is Trademark of a few diffrent comic book presses such as oh IDK, MARVEL, DC, DarkHorse…. oh yeah, I am sure you have permission to use that Superman Logo on your blue spandex.
My suggestion to the SL JLU is,
Take a second and look at yourself in real life, sitting behind that computer, wasting countless hours filling out report abuse forms while looking at a cartoon chracter’s ass on your monitor. Ask yourself, aside from me, does anyone in the entire Real world or virtual world even give a shit about what I am doing. Aside from the handfull of linden Assholes your lips have been kissing NO ONE CARES about the JLU, the Work you do, or the grief you cause.
DivaLeauge
Jan 18th, 2010
@ GL We are going to take you costume wearing jerks down. You have made false reports and claims, lied, and used scare tactics on residents of second life. Most sand boxes consider JLU to be girefers. Mass abuse report spam and ticket report spam and having lindens do personal favors for you is all against the TOS. You may as well be wearing a afro and spamming LOLCUBES. I have seen your “wiki” and honestly I could care less about the leak but harassing people is wrong.
SirLordChikkinz
Jan 18th, 2010
Lol, copyfraud. DC property, mediawiki’s ToS, personal information. Good luck buddy, anything posted on a wiki running that engine must be distributed Creative Commons/Share-Alike. You agreed to that when you used it.
Neo Citizen
Jan 18th, 2010
Erm, no – you have to ask that public pages be taken down, or they do nothing. DMCA only applies to public pages, not private ones. If it’s private it’s considered a private archive, and completely protected under fair use. Sorry, but go read the DMCA for yourselves.
Oh, and SirLordChikkinz, you’re an idiot.
GreenLantern Excelsior
Jan 18th, 2010
@ Deadlycodec
“Argue until you’re blue in the face, but these companies removed the content because it was reported by multiple people and they didn’t want to deal with it.”
I think it’s more likely that Kalel’s provider will respond in the same manner as “Sean” from Canada. You will receive an email that says, basically, “I have nothing more to say to you,” and that will be the end. Good luck with that.
“Show me where in the Digital Millennium Copyright Act it says this is a prerequisite for copyright claims, and I will give you a cookie xD”
“In most instances, the Act requires that a valid takedown notice include the following:
3. Identification of the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity and that is to be removed or access to which is to be disabled, and information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to locate the material.”
It’s that “information reasonably sufficient” part that will invalidate your request. If you can’t point out the content that’s infringing, the content provider can’t find it to take it down. Here’s a quote from the Chief Executive Officer of JaguarPC.com in February, 2007: “Legal notices have two filing cabinets here with me, 1) is my forward button to the site owner, and 2) my shredder.” Guess where your request will be going.
“Um, I can provide the URL for where it was, and if it was moved, jaguarpc admins will have logs for that.”
LOL, I’m sure they will assign several employees to search for a blog entry that you can’t find. The fact that it came from a respectable publication like the “Griefer Herald” will give your request an even higher priority.
“Guess I’ll send them a copy of your comment too, Mr. Smuggety Smug.”
Please make sure to capitalize the “L” in “GreenLantern” so they will know exactly who I am.
@ LOL
“You and your clan of linden ass kissers finally get to see what it is like to be on the other end of an AR.”
Please write multiple ARs on JLU’s password-protected wiki. One AR an hour should be sufficient to get their attention. Make sure you use your main SL account to write the ARs so they will have even more weight. I’m sure Linden Lab will take action after the third or fourth AR.
“Ask yourself, aside from me, does anyone in the entire Real world or virtual world even give a shit about what I am doing.”
The answer to that question is a resounding “YES!” JLU is well respected in Second Life, no matter what the griefers say in blog posts. People look at results, not rumors, and JLU has a solid history of community service dating back to its founding.
SirLordChikkinz
Jan 18th, 2010
@neo citizen
I am the idiot? Dohoho. Did you even read what you posted? You used a fallacious argument to attempt dispute my claims yet reinforced the single principle of my argument. The principle of which is that the JLU has no legal copyright over said documents. I merely was explaining the repercussions if they go forward with their false DMCA claims and attempt to drag them into court. The parties in question I mentioned will have their lolsuit thrown out in seconds. Affirming a disjunct is all you have done. As for your opinions of me, they to hold no basis of validity towards the truth of my statement.
Gaara Sandalwood
Jan 19th, 2010
GLE and Neo, you’re both idiots. You remind me of the oldfags at forums I visit who would swoop in and basically take apart any argument no matter how valid it was by simply saying “lol, you’re wrong, stop trying so hard”. About the only difference between you and them is you don’t kiss the asses of females. In this case though, you kiss the Linden’s asses, so there’s not much difference here.
I’ve only been on SL a short time, but I’ve read up on the JLU since I first started playing, and even prior to my encounter with your members I felt a strong urge deep inside to want you gone, because you do nothing but fester SL with your syphillis-like existence.
I even heard(keyword being “heard”), that your Kalel, or Kalolz as he is often called, is making alts out the ass and using every one of them to fire off ARs about WU members and people involved in this whole mess.
And LOL is right. You need to take a look at the real world for a bit here. I embrace the fact that SL is a game and I don’t expect anyone who doesn’t know me to give two shits about me. So it baffles me, aside from the inane idea that you people go on power trips and feel like you can accomplish something in a video game, as to why any of you super hero wannabes feel like you’re cared about and needed so damn much.
Darien Caldwell
Jan 19th, 2010
If it were true Copyright only applied to public data, then you could copy DVDs and other copyrighted material, and give it to friends, as long as it wasn’t public.
Doesn’t take a Superhero to know that’s not true. Copying and distributing a copyrighted work is illegal, whether or not that distribution is public or private.
Senban Babii
Jan 19th, 2010
@Gaara Sandalwood
“I even heard(keyword being “heard”), that your Kalel, or Kalolz as he is often called, is making alts out the ass and using every one of them to fire off ARs about WU members and people involved in this whole mess.”
You know, I honestly wasn’t going to say anything, I really wasn’t, even though I typed the post up a couple of times in detail. But in the last few days, I’ve been harrassed by several residents, all of them with shiny new accounts and all of them goading me into fights so they can file abuse reports. Some even claimed to have done so. Meh, my chatlogs stand as evidence that I said or did nothing wrong
Note that I’m not claiming that these were alts or representatives or anyone or any organisation. Still, it’s an interesting coincidence, especially given what Gaara just wrote…..
GreenLantern Excelsior
Jan 19th, 2010
@ Gaara
“I’ve only been on SL a short time, but I’ve read up on the JLU since I first started playing, and even prior to my encounter with your members I felt a strong urge deep inside to want you gone, because you do nothing but fester SL with your syphillis-like existence.”
That’s pretty much the viewpoint of most griefers, although you said it more politely. JLU makes it difficult for griefers to cause problems for innocent residents, so the griefers want us gone from SL too. Anyone who writes Abuse Reports on their griefing is labeled a fag or a tattletale, and accused of being a time-waster or an ass-kisser. They will start rumors like the one you heard about multiple alts writing ARs, although most people recognize the source and refuse to spread such rumors. They whisper in the ears of sim owners who ask for our help, telling them that it would be better not to associate with us, although most sim owners tell them to go pound sand. They upload our stolen wiki information to multiple websites, although we keep taking them down as fast as they go up. As usual, it’s a losing battle for the griefers.
You sound somewhat frustrated. I hope your future encounters with JLU members are more positive than they have been so far. If there’s anything I can do to help from an ambassadorial standpoint, please let me know.
Senban Babii
Jan 19th, 2010
@GLE
“That’s pretty much the viewpoint of most griefers,”
GLE, with all due respect you can’t say that. Just because someone doesn’t like your policies or you personally or whatever, you can’t then label them “griefer” (or “terrorist” for that matter).
I am certainly not a griefer for example but I hold much the same opinion as Gaara. So am I a griefer for holding an opinion contrary to the JLU and contrary to your personal beliefs? Perhaps I should be labelled a griefer just in case I one day grief? I mean the JLU wiki files show that many people are presumed guilty by association, right? Will it save time for you if I provide my own measurements for my orange coveralls? Is it even possible to waterboard an avatar? Will I find myself the subject of extraordinary rendition and wake to find myself on another grid where the rules on torture are different?
You know, after I showed these articles to my department the other day, I went on to show them to another friend of mine, in another department. He read through them all and shook his head with the words “It won’t be long before these people are telling you they are doing it for your comfort and safety, that they’re storing your information to help fight the enemies of freedom, justice and mom’s sculpty apple pie.”
Neo Citizen
Jan 19th, 2010
@SirLordChikkinz
Yep. You’re an idiot, confirmed. You went to the Mediawiki web site and read that any contribution to the Mediawiki projects are creative commons. Since the JLU stuff is not a part of the Mediawiki project itself, they can copyright whatever they put in it.
Also an idiot: Sean in Canada who thinks that because there’s a page about the GPL in the BWiki that describes what the GPL license is, that that necessarily applies to the wiki. If that were true, then nobody could discuss the GPL in print without automatically GPL’ing their own websites now and forever.
Gaara Sandalwood
Jan 19th, 2010
“That’s pretty much the viewpoint of most griefers, although you said it more politely.”
I tend to hold a bit in.
“JLU makes it difficult for griefers to cause problems for innocent residents, so the griefers want us gone from SL too.”
No, actually a lot of residents want you gone as well. I recall a post on the Herald WAY back in the archives from a sim owner who said the JLU and GLC refused to leave him alone and did nothing when they tried to remove a griefer on his sim but make him grief more, because he was getting the attention he wanted.
tl;dr, you aren’t fecking helping anything.
“Anyone who writes Abuse Reports on their griefing is labeled a fag or a tattletale, and accused of being a time-waster or an ass-kisser.”
Oh no, I send ARs myself on matters. I can say ARs don’t do anything unless you yell “hack!”, “Copybot!”, or have multiple people/accounts send an AR on the same subject. I sent an AR on your guys for harassing me and telling me to leave a sim. I called a WU member there to back me up because I read how much the JLU and GLC enforce their own attempts and wants. The JLU’s response was to say me, the guy, and someone I don’t even know who happened to be in the sim were all planning a raid on it and it was foiled by their intel. That’s basically faking shit to make them look good.
“although most sim owners tell them to go pound sand”
Again, most sim owners would not say/do that.
“They upload our stolen wiki information to multiple websites, although we keep taking them down as fast as they go up.”
So you’re saying it’s stolen information if I am reading this right? And trust me, there are offshore sites that even Kalel’s bawwwwing cannot touch, and many copies have been uploaded there.
“As usual, it’s a losing battle for the griefers.”
I find it nice how you can comfort yourself in the idea that you and your buddies are the ones slowly winning. And against people you’re profiling as griefers. Good luck with that.
“I hope your future encounters with JLU members are more positive than they have been so far.”
I hope I don’t encounter them too much so I don’t have too many headaches in the near future.
GreenLantern Excelsior
Jan 19th, 2010
@ Senban
“GLE, with all due respect you can’t say that. Just because someone doesn’t like your policies or you personally or whatever, you can’t then label them “griefer” (or “terrorist” for that matter).”
HUH??? I didn’t say Gaara was a griefer. I said one of Gaara’s statements matches the viewpoint of most griefers. Be careful about jumping to conclusions.
With regard to people laughing at Second Life Abuse Reporting, did you mention to your department peers that you also play Second Life? Try it. I’ll bet they stop laughing and start backing slowly away.
We
Jan 19th, 2010
It’s funny, JLU could have been at least somewhat effective had they really cared about combating griefing, and not, like most SL police, trying to give themselves a false sense of authority and power. A wiki with up-to-date information on griefing groups and techniques available for public viewing, and tips on how to handle griefing would be massively useful for land owners and general users alike.
Instead, they keep a hidden wiki full of personal real life information on griefers who are, in a lot of cases, completely inactive, meeting logs where they do nothing but circle-jerk each other on how effective and cool they are, and information on people decrying their group “to be watched as potential griefers”.
So instead of being an abstract entity that would be helping land owners across SL by giving them information on griefing, they are a small group with their own tools and knowledge they keep privately, who’s “help” takes the form of going into a sim and filing abuse reports, something that ANYONE THERE could have done.
Instead of weakening griefing they encourage it. Griefing groups LOVE to target these people, Blue Lantern Corps (a group connected to Green Lantern and therefore JLU) moved into a commercial sim once, a commercial sim that had, up until that point, never been griefed. The next couple of weeks it was griefed constantly for their presence. Do you think their neighbors appreciated the “protection” they were receiving?
If Kalel were smart, he’d take down all the RL info, the pointless meeting logs, etc. make the blog public, and convert it into something that informs land owners about active griefing groups, how to combat griefing techniques, how to set your land best to repel griefing, information to dispel rumors like “!quit” working to stop copybots, and give information on abuse reports, i.e.: what the Lindens are looking for, what is abuse reportable and what isn’t, and how best to write them.
But he isn’t. And this way would take the sense of “power” and “authority” away from them and give it to all the land owners and griefed people they claim to want to help in the first place, but clearly do not.
lulz4Kane
Jan 19th, 2010
>Since the JLU stuff is not a part of the Mediawiki project itself, they can copyright whatever they put in it.
Still under fair use, anyone can host it.
Jas
Jan 19th, 2010
From what I have seen about the JLU, they are as bad, if not worse, than most of the griefers on the grid. They violate the TOS by the harassment of any who disagree with them. Not to mention the recording of chat logs and the possibility of creating alts for the purpose of harassment.
I am not the type that wishes harm on anyone, but the more I see about the actions of this group, the more I feel they should be feeling the brunt of the actions they carry out on others.
@GLE
“That’s pretty much the viewpoint of most griefers,”
And most of those repulsed by your SS style antics. I’m not in any of your reports that I have seen, but I also believe that many of the people in those reports shouldn’t be there either. If that means I’m a griefer, so be it. I’ve been on the grid over 6 months with multiple alts, and I’m sure I’ll be around a lot longer.
GreenLantern Excelsior
Jan 19th, 2010
@ We
Thank you for your thoughtful and well-written post. It contains several excellent ideas that deserve further discussion.
“Blue Lantern Corps (a group connected to Green Lantern and therefore JLU) moved into a commercial sim once, a commercial sim that had, up until that point, never been griefed. The next couple of weeks it was griefed constantly for their presence.”
I’m in The Blue Lantern Corps, and I’m not aware of this event. Where and when did it happen?
@ lulz4Kane
“Still under fair use, anyone can host it.”
Anyone can host a small sample, not 95% of the entire wiki.
@ Jas
“And most of those repulsed by your SS style antics. I’m not in any of your reports that I have seen, but I also believe that many of the people in those reports shouldn’t be there either.”
The people in those articles are, for the most part, still in Second Life. Many of them were not Abuse Reported. Whether they should be there or not is not for anyone outside JLU to judge, since the commentary is in a password-protected database. You can think of it as a diary that you were able to peek at for a few minutes before it was returned to its rightful owner. You don’t have a vote as to its contents.
By the way, you won the Godwin award for this thread.
Senban Babii
Jan 19th, 2010
@GLE
“With regard to people laughing at Second Life Abuse Reporting, did you mention to your department peers that you also play Second Life? Try it. I’ll bet they stop laughing and start backing slowly away.”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*takes a breath*
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Nice try (can we assume that people laugh at you in that way?) I work for a university’s e-learning team. It’s how I first discovered Second Life. Why do you think I spend so much time investigating SL and other virtual spaces as outlined in my blog (although my blog is personal rather than work-related)? My direct peers have nothing to do with virtual learning because they deal with various other aspects of online delivery of teaching material and related communication. As for laughing at the fact I “play” Second Life, well we were all having fun playing Island Life earlier (laughing at the fact we’re shipwrecked on an island and yet our first survival priority is to grow a field of onions XD) and as my desk and noticeboard are covered in virtual worlds materials and as half the time all they can hear is “Captain-Jean-Luc-Pic-Ard-Of-The-U-S-S-En-Ter-Prise” coming from my PC followed by squeals of laughter from myself, then I think they’re pretty okay with the idea. There were still laughing today at the idea of people “playing” internet superheroes though, so you were partly right at least 8D See, I get paid to sit at a desk, drink coffee and “play” Second Life (amongst other things). Jealous yet? Oh you can add all this to my page in your wiki by the way, I’m sure I already have one, probably filed under “Unsympathetic To JLU, Possible J Jonah Jameson Complex” 8D
“HUH??? I didn’t say Gaara was a griefer. I said one of Gaara’s statements matches the viewpoint of most griefers. Be careful about jumping to conclusions.”
Yes, that is indeed what you said, the obvious implication being that anyone holding such an opinion is aligned to the thinking of griefers. According to your own wiki, the JLU is making huge leaps of logic in such ways (e.g. griefer-by-association) so it’s easy to see how you are doing the same in this instance.
Oh, and all the great advice that “We” gave just above, about what would make the JLU actually functional and worthwhile? Please consider it quoted for truth by myself.
Jumpman Lane
Jan 19th, 2010
Tardy!
All Seeing Eye
Jan 19th, 2010
If the subject of this article is filing false DMCAs then it is important that victims file counter DMCAs and then proceed with filing demands/complaints with the appropriate law enforcement agencies for the subject to be arrested and prosecuted for perjury.
Anyone failing to demand justice is adding to the problem of false DMCA actions. If perjury has been committed it must be prosecuted and the criminal imprisoned.
SirLordChikkinz
Jan 19th, 2010
@Neo Citizen
People like you are amusing, calling people idiots while spewing idiocy. You sound like one of those typical arrogant narcissistic American babies who whine when things don’t benefit them. Sir the product itself is distributed GNU, certain content on wiki’s may be copyrighted but not a wiki itself. You clearly are unaware of copyright law. As for Sean, you are aware the DMCA does not exist in Canada aren’t you? Let us recall what you said, “DMCA only applies to public pages, not private ones. If it’s private it’s considered a private archive, and completely protected under fair use”.
SirLordChikkinz
Jan 19th, 2010
@neo citizen continued
But you forgot some important details: you can’t copyright fact, you can’t copyright another company’s works, you can not copyright personal information, you can not claim copyright to conversation. Your ownership considering the content on the wiki is thus nil. Sean is actually smart, if you were to take him to court in Canada he knows you would be charged with copyfraud. Furthermore as per GNU any modifications to the Mediawiki software must be open source. Now if we open up laws regarding whistle blowing it will get more hilarious. Isn’t it also ironic that a man who dislikes the JLU is arguing with a man shoving their proverbial face in the shit they made for themselves?
Jessica Holyoke
Jan 19th, 2010
*sighs* fair use does not depend on the amount of the original content used. There are many different factors that determine fair use.
Also seem to love the mentality of “we have your best interests in mind. You have no control over what we do with your information or how we link it up, but if you complain, then obviously you are in line with the griefers.”
We
Jan 20th, 2010
@GLE
The sim Bellatrix about a year ago. I knew someone who had a store there at the time, never had any problems until BLC moved in, in which case griefers started pounding the sim every few days to annoy those guys, as soon as they left the griefing stopped.
I’m glad you like my ideas, but I’ll believe you guys think a public wiki with useful land-owner anti-griefer information is a good idea when I see it happen.
My main problem with JLU and any other SL police group is that they’re assigning themselves into a position of power with no actual administrative power to back it up. SL Police groups can go two routes, use griefer style weapons and tools against the griefers, in which they are just as bad as the griefers; or they can go the softer route, filing abuse reports and trying to talk them down, which makes them no more effective than any other person in the sim.
I know JLU has their own emergency report system. The problem there is, if a person is in a sim with an administration and calls for the JLU instead of the sim admin, they’re calling in people who are no more effective than they are rather than calling someone who actually has the administrative ability to handle the problem.
It’s funny, with your huge wiki full of information on griefing, you guys really don’t understand griefing at all. Major griefing groups do what they do to get a rise out of people, specifically the people who take things way too seriously because they think big dramatic responses are funny. Now, a group of people dedicating themselves to fighting “griefing”, a minor annoyance at worst in the scheme of things, by taking themselves VERY seriously in a game that’s already a joke by dressing up as cheesecake superheroes? That’s a griefers DELIGHT. You think you guys put fear into them? You’re their major target not because your anti-griefing techniques are working, but because they think you’re funny as hell to grief. You’re not shutting them down, you’re providing them with entertainment.
The best and most effective way to combat griefing like that? Ignore it. If they don’t get a response, they don’t get what they want, they get bored and move on to another target.
Melaka
Jan 20th, 2010
@ GLE
I hate to break this to you, you pompous arrogant douche nozzle, you aren’t respected or even liked for that matter. You can come here and play like you know a damned thing about this but truth is you’re here because your the jlu bitch and dont have anything better to do than this. I’m amazed that the jlu are even allowed to be around, you bully and label but you all are just sad group of pasty, carpal tunnel ridden, band of wanna be terrorists who havent had even the slightest bit of sex.
If you want to make a difference go volunteer at a soup kitchen, become a big brother, man a suicide prevention hotline, but stop acting like what you do in SL matters. You flood the AR system with meaningless reports to fluff your numbers and prove a percentage. You can’t tell people that they dont get a say in about “information: because they weren’t meant to see it. But you’re the ones that let it get out and you are the ones that put yourself in this position. And now you must lay in the bed you have made, hope its comfy
Afroduck
Jan 20th, 2010
All I have to say is LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Kalol is proving he understands little about how the Internet works or the whims and ways of those using it. Or even basic human nature. By fiercely trying to stop the spread of the wiki he has accelerated its spread and drawn more attention to the entire incident. The longer he continues the more people will find out, the more copies that will be created, the more information will be dug out of the wiki and the more the JLU will become a laughingstock.
If the response to the wiki leak was “Oops, that recruit was a mistake.” address the issue(s) that allowed this to happen, then they go about their normal business again, this would be turning into old news already. Griefers and mortal enemies might keep playing with it for a while yet but everyone else would get bored soon enough. Instead Kalol is keeping everything fresh and exciting, acting like a spoiled child who had his “sekrit log” stolen from his clubhouse.
The moment this leak became public knowledge, along with copies available for download, it was too late. Now it exists in torrent form as well, along with mirrors popping up all over. Even the government would have difficulty erasing it from the Internet entirely now, much less an egotistical nerd dressed as superman whose main strategy is waving around DMCA notices and posturing.
But by all means, continue. This is the most fun I’ve gotten out of SL in a long time.
vince braver
Jan 21st, 2010
kalel got what he deserved.
The JLU is the biggest joke to ever spawn on such a shitty, unfunny online game ever.
/thread
Cartman
Jan 21st, 2010
Only way you could show a DMCA false is if you can show you own the material yourself. And I love all these e-lawyers who got their law degrees from cereal boxes. Damn you people are idiots. I mean really, you’re idiots.